In this broadcast, Pastor Ray discusses the foundation of Christian perfection as laid out by John Wesley. In what sense are Christians perfect and not made perfect? In addition, Pastor Ray provides another story from the “They Knew Their God” series (see the top of the home page) using the life of Iva Durham Vennard. Listen to how the Holy Spirit created an intense heart cry for holiness in this dear sister’s heart and may her heart’s cry become your own, as the Holy Spirit transforms you.